Curse

fiery · May 02, 2006, 01:29 PM // 13:29

I think the Survivor title should never have been made, gunna be ragequit crazy and the elitist side of PVE groups only looking for specific classes.

The Fox · May 02, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

I'd say people had their "fair" opportunity to earn the title, but just didn't know about it at the time. For example, the guy that had a million deaths when ahead and beat the game with another character with zero deaths. My point is that people could have RPG'd their characters as hardcore and self deleted them if they died. Sure you didn't know, but letting a lvl 20 character reset their deaths is like transfering a maxed out character over to hardcore after they've already primed their stats and tweaked their build.

I'd be in favor of of a hardcore server, but this is the best this game will probably do, so I'm happy to see the title.

Aki Soyokaze · May 02, 2006, 06:11 PM // 18:11

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Originally Posted by Navaros

How is it different from deleting my character?! Are you kidding me? I had my main character for 11 months. I got very expensive armor and weapons customized for it. I spent a whole whackload of gold on all that. I spent much time capturing skills all over the place for it. I got unique customized items for it like Halloween items. Should I have to give up all that history, time, energy, skill and gold investment in acquiring all these things just so my main character can have a fair and equal opportunity to get the Survivor Title? No. I should not. That is not fair, and the notion that players should be forced to do so is ludicrous.

I also don't wanna forsake my Birthday present or my two years Birthday present.

Again, statements like "you decided to kill yourself before the Title existed therefore you should be ineligible to get it on your main character" are also ridiculous. It didn't exist, therefore there was no way to know I would later, in the distant future, be penalized for killing myself or being careless in gameplay. Therefore holding that against a player and discriminating against old characters in that way is morally wrong.

Oh so you wanted all the perks of having a character that's a year old but when it came to deaths you were just willing to ignore that? Making the decision to ignore your deaths was your choice. Just like it was your choice to try to get the elites, try to get rare weapons, try to get good armor, and try to large amounts of gold. But judging from your comment I'll guess that you have unlocked elites with your main character. What then should Anet do for a person who whines about not being allowed to have the skill hunter title because he/she decided to unlock all or most of their elites using faction? Should they be allowed to complain just like you? You also seem to value getting your Birthday gift; what should be done about all the players who deleted their first characters? Should they just be given a present even though it's not really their characters birthday? They don't deserve a present anymore than you deserve getting the Survivor title.

"I got unique customized items for it like Halloween items. Should I have to give up all that history, time, energy, skill and gold investment in acquiring all these things just so my main character can have a fair and equal opportunity to get the Survivor Title?" Yes you should, because who is to say you wouldn't have died in the process of getting all that anyways. You act as though you're the only player in the world who wasn't told about this. Who is to say that I wouldn'tve opened every chest I could, identified every gold item, explored 100% of the map, or captured every elite skill that I could.

But hey maybe you're right, maybe I should be given every key I sold and didn't use, maybe I should be given Grandmaster Cartographer, and given every elite skill in the game; because, hell who knows what I'dve done if I had known about the titles. It's only fair right? Because keeping those titles from me is morally wrong!

Navaros · May 02, 2006, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by Aki Soyokaze

Oh so you wanted all the perks of having a character that's a year old but when it came to deaths you were just willing to ignore that? Making the decision to ignore your deaths was your choice. Just like it was your choice to try to get the elites, try to get rare weapons, try to get good armor, and try to large amounts of gold. But judging from your comment I'll guess that you have unlocked elites with your main character. What then should Anet do for a person who whines about not being allowed to have the skill hunter title because he/she decided to unlock all or most of their elites using faction? Should they be allowed to complain just like you? You also seem to value getting your Birthday gift; what should be done about all the players who deleted their first characters? Should they just be given a present even though it's not really their characters birthday? They don't deserve a present anymore than you deserve getting the Survivor title.

"I got unique customized items for it like Halloween items. Should I have to give up all that history, time, energy, skill and gold investment in acquiring all these things just so my main character can have a fair and equal opportunity to get the Survivor Title?" Yes you should, because who is to say you wouldn't have died in the process of getting all that anyways. You act as though you're the only player in the world who wasn't told about this. Who is to say that I wouldn'tve opened every chest I could, identified every gold item, explored 100% of the map, or captured every elite skill that I could.

But hey maybe you're right, maybe I should be given every key I sold and didn't use, maybe I should be given Grandmaster Cartographer, and given every elite skill in the game; because, hell who knows what I'dve done if I had known about the titles. It's only fair right? Because keeping those titles from me is morally wrong!

Again I am not asking to be "given" the title. I am merely asking for an opportunity to earn it on my main character. Saying deaths was "my choice" is absurd because only someone with magical psychic powers would be able to tell that dying to restart a mission would be used to penalize you in the future.

You're right, I might have died in trying to get the Survivor Title and all that other stuff too. In which case I would accept that I failed at earning the Survivor Title and be perfectly fine with that. However, since there has been zero opportunity to earn that Title, failure cannot be
"future-actively" applied to old characters.

The skill capture Title won't matter if you got them with faction, because your character still would be able to capture the skill even if you already unlocked it with faction.

Yes, people who got screwed out of their Birthday presents by deleting characters should also have Anet do something to make it fair for them, but that's a totally different issue.

No I'm not the only player who is getting screwed by this. I do not want this change just for me personally; but rather for all Guild Wars player who wish to have a fair chance to earn the Survivor Title on their main character.

Trin Storm · May 03, 2006, 06:34 PM // 18:34

To quote the stones - "You can't always get what you want"

I have a launch day character - and this title isn't available. Those are the breaks. Your charcter had a chance to earn it - but you died - by choice (shocking since you love your character so much you won't consider making another). I have several titles that I got retroactively like elites, maps and missions. This could of been one as well had your deaths been zero. titles are nice to have things you earned. Simply - you did not earn this one - and now you want the rules changed so you can. Sorry I vote no.

Question - have you ever pvp'd? with your main?? Did you die coming out of the academy? Those count as deaths you know?

Does-it-Matter · May 03, 2006, 07:23 PM // 19:23

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Originally Posted by Navaros

Yes, people who got screwed out of their Birthday presents by deleting characters should also have Anet do something to make it fair for them, but that's a totally different issue.

Wow, this is a fun statement! Do you think when ANet created Guild Wars they went "Hey, you know what? When everyone's characters become 12 months old, we should give them a mini-pet! But lets not tell them about it, so we can listen to people complain and say we didn't give them any warning." Doubtful.

The birthday present is a reward for loyalty. It's a privallige, NOT a RIGHT. You are not "entitled" to anything.

"But I would have saved my character if I knew there were going to be gifts."

So the only reason you would keep a character you deleted is to get the gift? That's the ONLY reason? I say this, because clearly you deleted the character for a reason, and now the only reason to not have deleted it is for the gift? Wow...

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No I'm not the only player who is getting screwed by this. I do not want this change just for me personally; but rather for all Guild Wars player who wish to have a fair chance to earn the Survivor Title on their main character.

You aren't getting screwed. You are simply getting what you've got. I seriously doubt ANet thought about the "surivor" title during GW development years ago. It's a new REWARD.

You don't "deserve" anything in this game except what you paid for. What you paid for is 4/6/8/whatever character slots, and access to Chapter 1 and or 2 content. That is it. Anything else is a PRIVALLIGE, not a RIGHT.

When you first purchased GW, did you go to the cashier with the intent of "earning the Survivor title on your main character" ? Chances are, no. So that is not what you paid for. Thus, anything granted to you from ANet AFTER you purchased GW is a privallige, a reward... not a mandate that you deserve.

If you really want the title, because its that important to you. Make a new character and go earn it from the start, like everyone else. Otherwise, its clearly not important and you just want it as "just another shinney ornament on my aged character."

/not-signed

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As an asside, its interesting to see how diffused this mentality is in these forums. The "Too many rares drop, economy go bye-bye, fix it or else Anet!" thread is rife with it.

Dual Cannon · Apr 24, 2008, 05:56 PM // 17:56

I agree that it's unfair on those who didn't die before the title was released but making it available after you reach level 20 makes the title alot easier, Getting to level 20 without dieing and then playing through PvE still without dieing is a massive challenge and (to some degree) what has to be done to earn survivor. All a level 20 (that has died) would need to do is grind trolls or other mobs, and he could just start all over again if it went wrong.

The only way to make this title fair for the characters that were created before it came out is too make it account based.

/not signed

Edit: Amen Does-It-Matter!

Oh and btw 256k exp into second tier survivor 0 deaths so far...

Tyla · Apr 24, 2008, 06:01 PM // 18:01

Holy Necromancy!
2 years old thread!

Azora · Apr 24, 2008, 06:10 PM // 18:10

This guis just used some hard rez signet..

N1ghtstalker · Apr 24, 2008, 06:13 PM // 18:13

lmao it is available to all characters you just gotta make sure you don't die before you get to lvl 20
it gives a bit more challenge
cuz now everyone can get it by going to dwarvenboxing
/notsigned

Dual Cannon · Apr 24, 2008, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by Azora

This guis just used some hard rez signet..

What do you mean? duis?

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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

lmao it is available to all characters you just gotta make sure you don't die before you get to lvl 20
it gives a bit more challenge
cuz now everyone can get it by going to dwarvenboxing
/notsigned

Many years ago, before factions came out survivor isn't available (that's what he's complaining about). And Dwarven boxing is pretty slow compared to farming.

Steboy93 · Apr 24, 2008, 06:31 PM // 18:31

He means you just brought back a thread that has not been posted in for 2 years.

This is referred to as 'thread ressing' hence the res sig pun

Man i'm good at explaining things

Tyla · Apr 24, 2008, 06:32 PM // 18:32

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Originally Posted by Dual Cannon

Many years ago, before factions came out survivor isn't available (that's what he's complaining about). And Dwarven boxing is pretty slow compared to farming.

Yeah MANY years ago.
What's the point in ressing the thread when you're only going to /notsign anyway?

Dual Cannon · Apr 24, 2008, 06:41 PM // 18:41

Sorry I'm a total noob @ forums, and I hate people who take the piss out of survivours Tyla